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I can understand why there's been a few comments. This is a pretty intensive history that you have put together. It is so much to digest. And yet very interesting. I think a couple things for me came through and I haven't finished. One even though a lot of the spiritual path of Chinese Buddhist is rooted in their spirituality. There is a contamination of ego and politics. Like Catholicism, which planned to have the priest as all knowledgeable in the lay as all ignorant, the leaders at each time had to challenge the spiritual paths of these Buddhist.

I've been thinking a lot of my spiritual practice which fell into Quakerism. It is a splinters as in the other religion. It wasn't until I was studying it that I was amazed at how splintered it was. But even as a young person in the 70s, I saw the divergent from a simple silent meeting to a traditional church environment with a priest. I like the former. What I'm getting at is Quakers, at least in that fraction, believe that each of us is essentially God and therefore we respect one another. There's no question as to who a person is or what they're doing. They still get their respect of an important spiritual being. One doesn't direct another but lives via pure actions which can be viewed by elders and perhaps help them grow. Seems pretty simple relative to everything you just talked about, but for me it explains the way that Quakers work together. There is no leader other than a clerk. The clerk serves very menial organizational responsibilities. Business Meetings are extremely short because nobody repeats anything as they respect the comments of their fellows. they simply say I agree or disagree with this quaker and add a small amount of clarification. Consequently bs meetings are quick and that's because the Quakers respect one another.

I failed to describe the silent meeting, which is basically the spiritual practice of Quakers. Although the layout of chairs is not critical in our meeting, we sat in a circle. People were quiet and meditating. Although every once in a while, someone would feel a particular idea, coming strongly to their meditation and would stand up and say something about it. Even without that verbal process, I found that the meeting for me was a form of global meditation where I would receive the thoughts of my fellow Quakers. It's very powerful. Rarely we would talk about what we perceived during the meeting after the silent meeting. I never questioned that. I just assumed it was some kind of a subliminal digestion and organization.

The other part for me that was important is that silent meetings could happen anywhere. And often they move from one household to another. it's like anywhere is a temple. The funniest thing though about Quakerism is unlike a lot of other religions it does not seek to change people. Consequently, the only way Quakers grow is when people out of curiosity come and see what's going on. The funny part for me is that it means that Quakerism is vulnerable to a lack of growth because it doesn't reach out to grab other people because of the nature of the spirituality.

I really enjoyed a lot of your writing because I spent some time in a community where different Buddhists came to share their spirituality with other spiritual leaders, such as Sufis, shamans, Native American medicine, people, etc. Buddhism seemed very heavy to me, and yet I sat in on a few of the ceremonies of the Rinpoche , and subconsciously imbued with visions of whatever the Rinpoche was celebrating. That transference indicated to me the power of this spiritual path.

I don't remember his name other than he came from Oregon and was somehow associated with Pacific yurts. But he was a very humble man and that also impressed me. To me spiritual leader should be humble.

Again, thank you for your interesting article at some point I will get to the end of it . You've done a lot of research!

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PM Dunne's avatar

Thank you so much for reading 🙏 all comments are welcome. Always

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